Online meetings, treatment options, help michiganders stay sober. We want to be defined by principles and not what we dont believe. Aa cofounder bill wilson wrote we agnostics in an attempt to address the issue. I also dont approve of the big book saying i dont know who god is. Preface to the aa big book fm qual mp3 14mb chapter 1 bills story fm qual mp3 12. Tuesday aa meetings washington area intergroup association. James cofounded the san francisco community land trust, currently serves as the political director of the american federation of teachers 2121, and has been an instructor at city college of san francisco since 2015. It sounds like they are trying to convert me to something.
Agnostic in big book alcoholics anonymous, 12 steps and 12. The big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists kindle edition by probulos, i. Agnosticism ontario consultants on religious tolerance. I thought it had to be done precisely as laid out in the big book, and although bill w. Agnostics article about agnostics by the free dictionary. By the very act of critiquing chapter 4, we agnostics, i admittedly commit aa heresy. Our goal is to study the steps as a friendly, focused group, and work them as the authors of the big book described. Secular aa offers over 520 face to face group meetings worldwide. Well, reading and discussing this chapter plus a reading we discussed in the abstinence book in my meeting saturday helped me to find the spiritual aspect of abstinence.
Since we are unsure what social distancing requirements will be in place on june 6, this program will be a webinar. In the big book we find a radical empiricism, applied to religion, with a set of actions offered as an entrance into direct spiritual experience. We hope we have made clear the distinction between the alcoholic and the nonalcoholic. Aa meetings in petaluma, california, find alcoholic. The big book offers these actions without predicting the exact spiritual experience that will result for a given individual, nor does it impose any conceptions upon the reader. This page contains the recordings from we agnostics. They are not aa approved, but are aa permitted to use and adapt the aa 12 step program. We agnostics i n the precedingchapters you have learned something of alcoholism. Big book, location temporarily closed, open, wheelchair access, women. Taken from the book alcoholics anonymous frequently called the big book. If we are to accept our disease and learn to overcome it, we must accept that. One more time i have come to believe that there is in fact a great reality.
To one who feels he is an atheist or agnostic such an experience seems. Addiction resource is an educational platform for sharing and disseminating information about addiction and substance abuse recovery centers. We wish to make the 12 steps of alcoholics anonymous part of our. In its chapter, we agnostics, the big book outlines its attitude toward spiritual and religious matters. Find nonprayer aa meetings for agnostic aa in the san franscisco bay area here. Reading guide for we agnostics amethyst recovery center. Thursday womens big book study women, location temporarily closed. This web site is dedicated to developing a collective dialogue amongst like minded individuals, those that might call themselves the new agnostics. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss. How could there possibly be a god when there are so many starving people and wars where everybody says god is on their side. The big book of lists for atheists, agnostics, and secular.
Big book workbook is for those who are willing to grow along spiritual lines 60. Chapter 4 we agnostics this chapter explains the atheist and the believer and how some us came to believe in a power greater than. That being said, when most people think of addiction recovery, they will typically envision a group of people sitting in a circle, working together to refrain from using drugs and alcohol by practicing the principles of the 12steps which were first laid out in the big book of alcoholics anonymous aa. This is how i imagine it could have been in the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. This is now accurately known as a result of the aris studies. Four short years before writing this chapter, the principal author, bill w. Insofar as i may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what i say, i ask, if it matters, that i be forgiven for anything i may. As the recent pew study shows, almost 20% of americans are nonreligious, as am i. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading the big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists. Please visit our agnostic aa group web sites, listed in the left. The aa agnostics, freethinkers and atheists groups share a common faith that suffering alcoholics can achieve sobriety through the proven aa 12 step program without having to accept anyone elses beliefs or having to deny their own. Sorting and rendering passages in the proprietary format of the 164 and more concordance does not in any way imply affiliation with or endorsement by either alcoholics. The number of american adults with agnostic beliefs.
Step study online meeting, rockridge fellowship, 3989 howe st, oakland. For the agnostic, atheist and humanist, it can feel like a distraction from the work at. We agnostics assignment we have covered the first and second components of the disease of alcoholism. In doing so, the big book also presents a method by which readers can investigate theological questions for themselves. The target audience for we agnostics is relatively easy to define. This page is dedicated to the recordings that took place beginning with the 80th anniversary of the big books publishing. Throughout the big book atheists and agnostics are portrayed as people who need to be convinced to open their minds to the idea of having a personal relationship with god. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholic problems and explain our fellowship. The purpose of this study guide is to enable the student to better understand the information the authors of the book, alcoholics anonymous, intended to impart to each of us based on their experience and knowledge of alcoholism and their program of recovery. Oakland county, mi national life has been dragged into standby mode by.
Popular agnosticism books meet your next favorite book. The 164 and more book, ebook, and web site are all concordances which display passages from the big book alcoholics anonymous, the twelve steps and twelve traditions, and the a. Pages 44 through 57 chapter 4, we agnostics, is truly a remarkable piece of writing. In this part of the alcoholics anonymous big book study, joe and charlie discuss the chapter we agnostics this series of talks came about. Another definition provided is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that god exists or the belief that god does not exist. Use features like bookmarks, note taking and highlighting while reading the big book of lists for atheists, agnostics. He genuinely believed that he had a spiritual experience granted by god, and it was his sincere view that this experience was absolutely necessary to recover from alcoholism. The big book of lists for atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists kindle edition by probulos, i. And it means, of course, that we are going to talk about god. Aa speaker turn our will and our lives over to the care of. A perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book. During any such meeting to study the aa big book, you would expect to encounter a wide variety of viewpoints on the portions under consideration. The big book of quotations for atheists, agnostics, and.
Suspended we agnostics austin aa hill country intergroup. No religion no prayerjust warm friendly folks like you gathering together for support and sobriety. Big book workshop we agnostics big book step study. What about those sanctimonious church goers who judge me for. Created especially for high school and college students, this anthology collects letters, essays, diary entries, book excerpts, blogs, and other brief readings by atheists and agnostics from ancient times to the present, from wellknown philosophers to ordinary people. Kaiser permanente hospital 3600 broadway, oakland, ca 94611 map.
Step 6, for example, had been changed from were entirely ready to have. Chapter 4 we agnostics page 40 for either case, atheist or agnostic, we are going to have to find some way to have this spiritual experience, and to use this power greater than human power. The delegate for southern california area 05, thomas b, is interested in your thoughts on the subject of conference approved literature for agnostics and atheists in aa. Big book study walking through the big book of alcoholics anonymous with chris s.
One of many good places to begin is in alcoholics anonymous aka the big book, specifically chapter 4, we agnostics. They are still operating a sober support unit, which is still accepting walkins. Agnosticism is the view that the existence of god, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. Atheist in big book alcoholics anonymous, 12 steps and 12. Many aa agnostics have found these books to be useful and enlightening.
I guess i was a bit of a fundamentalist at the time and feared that it wouldnt work if i didnt follow directions exactly. What if the fourth chapter of the big book,we agnostics had actually been written by atheists and agnostics. Quad a alcoholics anonymous for atheists and agnostics was launched in 1975 in chicago. To date, he has also written three articles for a wonderful website for we agnostics in alcoholics anonymous, aa beyond belief. In the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. We agnostics chapter of the big book religious forums.
Both the republication of the god word pamphlet, originally published by aa in great britain, and a request to create a new pamphlet for atheists and agnostics in aa are on the agenda at this years aa. A compilation of recordings from a 28 week big book workshop. Location temporarily closed, open, step meeting, wheelchair access. We may be paid a fee for marketing or advertising by organizations that can assist with treating addictions. We have a new site come and check us out thursday night big book study. For many of us that seems to be an impossible task. Then why does the chaptor we agnostics insinuate were all agnostic till we find out who god is in our lives and we have to have a spiritual awakening. There are big book study meetings all over the country, where people cling to. M download it once and read it on your kindle device, pc, phones or tablets. This misconception extends to 12based treatment centers, who are accused of brainwashing their patients rather than treating a disease. Although these books are not written specifically for the agnostic, they use nonjudgemental direct language and are higherpower neutral. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoho lic problems and explain our fellowship. The foremost fallacy you will find in the big book is here.
We need to make the door to aa as wide as possible this book will widen that door. Oakton united methodist church 2951 chain bridge rd. Aa meetings in virginia washington area intergroup. There are now secular aa groups in virtually every major city in the nation. Sleepy hollow united methodist 3435 sleepy hollow rd. What if the fourth chapter of the big book, we agnostics had actually been written by atheists and agnostics. Meetings tricounty intergroup of alcoholics anonymous.
Big bookspeaker closedmixed trinity lutheran church 333 woodland avenue, san rafael, ca 94901 map library first door to right temporarily dialin only. A grapevine book for atheists and agnostics in aa aa agnostica. Alcoholism12 step support a perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book im not going for this god stuff. Wi minneapolis, mn nashville, tn new york, ny oakland, ca. Words contained within the first 164 pages of the big book. That means we have written a book which we believe to be spiritual as well as moral.